He wrote and directed multiple classic, culture-defining American movies. He created groundbreaking documentaries, interviewing Putin, debunking Russiagate, and uncovering JFK’s murder. He won three Academy Awards. There was only one thing left for Oliver Stone to do: Become a Useful Idiot.
You could point to what happened to JFK in Dallas as the last time that there was a scintilla of possibility of taking on the intelligence and military matrix for real change - and then they murder a president, hide video evidence for 7 years, and present the public with the most comical explanation of events via the Warren Commission (dual nut and magic bullet theories) all while the head of the CIA and the top Supreme Court Justice cover it up ----> as foreign policy changes and covert operations run amok (MK ultra, CoIntelPro, and assassination operations take root against Malcolm, MLK and RFK).
And to make this more modern, the goof now becomes weapons of mass destruction, a guy in a cave in Afghanistan (whose family is tight with the Bushes) blows up the twin towers ironically after PNAC paper (Project for the New American Century) where two planes/jet fuel bangs into them causing 3 buildings to come down in free fall. Next, we have the financial crisis, bailouts, and saving the bankers with public money while kicking out families of their homes - and looking the other way while bankers/foreclosure mills backdates, fabricated, and robo-signed new documents.
The most recent displays of capitulation to rotten decay of the political class includes: Russia-gate, George Floyd and policing, DNC/RNC behavior during the Trump presidency, Epstein child sex-trafficking billionaire island and the response to the pandemic (fetid public health institutions). And all the while people die, suffer trauma, and are silenced.
Mostly, I see this is a positive interview, but there were a few comments by Matt which signaled hesitation (not negative but still questioning -which struck me as off). I think Matt's wanting to hold two diametrically opposed ideas in his head as a means of objectivity here clouds things unnecessarily - especially with the Sy Hersh reference (whom I respect) about Kennedy and amphetamines. Allow me to explain a bit. First, here are a few authors, thinkers etc that have informed my views along with Oliver Stone and Jim Garrison:
All one would have to do is talk with Dr Aaron Good, Jim DiEugenio, Lisa Pease, or Peter Dale Scott, Lance DeHaven-Smith, or Jim Douglass. McNamara himself sheds light on why JFK died and why he continued on with LBJ to whitewash that history in his biography. But I digress.
Important is that we just saw that Biden still won't release what records exist and we know that the Secret Service destroyed records after the Church Committee hearings. And it must be mentioned that David Talbott (Brothers and Devil's Chessboard) & John Newman write persuasively on this subject too in.
Matt's last question of why kill Kennedy now - instead of wait 4 years. Here is why:
1. 4 more years of Kennedy and Peace initiatives would have been popular (and he has two brothers with political ambitions - they did not want President Bobby or President Teddy Kennedy)
2. The war in the south with segregation was heating up - George Wallace and integrating the University of Alabama - Kennedy had plans to re-make legislation and communities in the south.
3. The taxes on the steel industry and removal of tax preferences for oil drilling (along with the crack down on the mob - via Bobby) made corporate America's ass cheeks pucker
4. And Foreign policy - signaling his willingness to lose in Vietnam (anti-colonial stance), response to Dulles' intelligence for the Bay of Pigs and not invading, and then the back channels to Krushchev -- not to mention supported Pan-African policies (Nkrumah, Nasser, Sukarno and Lumumba signaling which eventually led to his death) all pointed to a different type of American persuasion - allow up and coming nations to prosper at the hands of American rather than be forced.
5. The Joints Chiefs of Staff (and previous advisors hated Kennedy) - Lyman Lemnitzer, Curtis Le May, Dean Acheson, and even LBJ/Max Taylor thought he was soft on Communism. Throw in Hoover at the FBI and a few other creepy crawlies in intelligence (and now you have real power upset with and wanting his removal --- not just in the moment, but so this would not happen ever again (as a symbol to every other President --- we are the power, you are our figure).
Fake News Katie! Other people have said this, so I hope the producers will respond with an improvement: the communication about the interviews is confusing. Subscribers start listening by clicking on the email link, are pulled up short and told to go to substack to hear the rest of the interview, go there and find the rest of the interview is not there, and then need to remember to come back several days later when the full interview will actually be posted. If the emails initially clearly indicate subscribers need to wait for the full interview then it will be easier to understand.
Loved the interview, but as a subscriber, I was confused when trying to find the extended interview on substack... You just need to let us know *when* to check for the extended part (instead of just telling us to go to substack for the rest and getting us all frustrated) OR post the extended at the same time as the free stuff. But, thanks!
The listening experience on this Substack is abysmal. Matt, Katie et al do not give a shit about us supporters. They're the Democratic Party of Substack.
Fascinating. JFK was a little before my time, but have admired Oliver Stone's efforts over the years to throw some light on this great American tragedy. It gives some ominous credence to Sen. Schumer's more recent blurted assertions that the CIA/IC 'has six ways from Sunday to get you" on Face the Nation.
[That the CIA lied 'bald-faced' during a Senate Intelligence Oversight committee hearing on 'torture' in 2012, and then hacked that committee's deliberations without any meaningful repercussions (other than a half-'apology' to its Chariman Feinstein?) I thought also suggests an alternative U.S. gov. command structure not in evidence.]
I guess my cross to bear will forever be the events on 9/11 and the U.S. response to them. Call me a wild-eyed conspiracy theorist, but Anybody who believes bldg #7 came down like that, according to NIST, from a single column failure (col. #79) due to office furniture fire in that well-built steel framed building is a .. . few cards short of a full deck imo.
*otoh, a young, bright and patriotic Edward Snowden worked briefly for the CIA and NSA so maybe they can't be all bad and hope springs eternal . .. in Moscow.
Great interview! Very glad to hear about Stone's new JFK project. The data he's talking about has been suppressed by "our" corporate media all these years. They all could have done blockbuster reports on it. From whence emanates that coordinated silence, which goes against the instincts of every true reporter? For those interested, the JFK assassination is placed in its bigger context in <i>"War Profiteer Story"</i>
Thank you for joining in a unified front in the Steven Donziger case. We need more unified fronts. And thank you for supporting free journalism. A financial oligarchy exists, and it is seriously threatening democracy and humanity.
Talk about 7 Degrees of Kevin Bacon. My uncle lived in Dallas in 1963 and worked at Texas Instruments with an eye-witness to the gunmen named Eddie Hoffman. He was deaf and couldn’t speak. Early JFK documentaries from the 70s show Eddie using sign language to describe what he saw.
Apparently, Hoffman saw a puff of smoke across a fence where he was standing overlooking the motorcade. When he turned, he saw a man in a suit carrying a rifle hand it off to another man dressed in a railway company uniform. Hoffman tried from the get-go to tell his account to the FBI. According to my uncle, he eventually succeeded, but maintained the FBI threatened him and his father, whom he lived with, to keep the story to himself.
Years after Hoffman died, some people published a book about him titled “Beyond the Fence Line: The Eyewitness Account of Ed Hoffman and the Murder of President John F. Kennedy.”
Hoffman seems like a pretty credible source. He appeared to have no financial incentive nor other motive to make up - and maintain - a huge consistent lie.
re: Boebert...seems like Matt & his partner forgot about the misdeeds of Tlaib ("we're going to impeach the motherfucker") and Ilhan ("I did not marry my brother" lol) and Pressley - and all the REALLY vile things they have said over the years - how about some balance...
Peter Dale Scott, authored excellent texts on the assassination.
As for the autopsy, a contributing factor was RFK - JFK had Addison's and RFK worked to suppress that fact.
Oswald had interactions with the ATF and was some manner of informant.
Jean Soutre aka Michael Mertz aka Michel Roux was one of the primary assassins.
As for JFK pulling out of Vietnam, that is nonsense, I spoke with Dave Watters, a member of the JFK administration, who stated that Kennedy had absolutely no intention of withdrawing from Vietnam.
Dave Watters, lost his faith in the government, saying, essentially, he could not have faith in a government that allowed the head of state to be assassination.
As for Cuba. RFK was running a highly organized terror operation against Cuba.
Mr. Watters called Kennedy incredibly irresponsible, not fit to be president, mostly because of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Adding that JFK almost ended life as we know it, risking nuclear war. The continual assault on Cuba, headed by his brother being a large factor as a cause of the crisis.
Regarding Matt's outrage in Republications Suck, it's not surprising to me that donors are pushing more and more odious types into congress. It's that good 'ol Overton window shimmying over some more. The worse the Republicans behave, the more noble their supposedly oppositional Democrats appear, i.e. new Dems are really like the old Reps. With the true left entirely vacated, all that remains among the elected are corporatists, by design.
News Flash! people in Africa don’t WANT the vaccines. Even if they were dirt cheap. Even if they were FREE. AND, they are way less sick than Americans even without it.
You could point to what happened to JFK in Dallas as the last time that there was a scintilla of possibility of taking on the intelligence and military matrix for real change - and then they murder a president, hide video evidence for 7 years, and present the public with the most comical explanation of events via the Warren Commission (dual nut and magic bullet theories) all while the head of the CIA and the top Supreme Court Justice cover it up ----> as foreign policy changes and covert operations run amok (MK ultra, CoIntelPro, and assassination operations take root against Malcolm, MLK and RFK).
And to make this more modern, the goof now becomes weapons of mass destruction, a guy in a cave in Afghanistan (whose family is tight with the Bushes) blows up the twin towers ironically after PNAC paper (Project for the New American Century) where two planes/jet fuel bangs into them causing 3 buildings to come down in free fall. Next, we have the financial crisis, bailouts, and saving the bankers with public money while kicking out families of their homes - and looking the other way while bankers/foreclosure mills backdates, fabricated, and robo-signed new documents.
The most recent displays of capitulation to rotten decay of the political class includes: Russia-gate, George Floyd and policing, DNC/RNC behavior during the Trump presidency, Epstein child sex-trafficking billionaire island and the response to the pandemic (fetid public health institutions). And all the while people die, suffer trauma, and are silenced.
Mostly, I see this is a positive interview, but there were a few comments by Matt which signaled hesitation (not negative but still questioning -which struck me as off). I think Matt's wanting to hold two diametrically opposed ideas in his head as a means of objectivity here clouds things unnecessarily - especially with the Sy Hersh reference (whom I respect) about Kennedy and amphetamines. Allow me to explain a bit. First, here are a few authors, thinkers etc that have informed my views along with Oliver Stone and Jim Garrison:
All one would have to do is talk with Dr Aaron Good, Jim DiEugenio, Lisa Pease, or Peter Dale Scott, Lance DeHaven-Smith, or Jim Douglass. McNamara himself sheds light on why JFK died and why he continued on with LBJ to whitewash that history in his biography. But I digress.
Important is that we just saw that Biden still won't release what records exist and we know that the Secret Service destroyed records after the Church Committee hearings. And it must be mentioned that David Talbott (Brothers and Devil's Chessboard) & John Newman write persuasively on this subject too in.
Matt's last question of why kill Kennedy now - instead of wait 4 years. Here is why:
1. 4 more years of Kennedy and Peace initiatives would have been popular (and he has two brothers with political ambitions - they did not want President Bobby or President Teddy Kennedy)
2. The war in the south with segregation was heating up - George Wallace and integrating the University of Alabama - Kennedy had plans to re-make legislation and communities in the south.
3. The taxes on the steel industry and removal of tax preferences for oil drilling (along with the crack down on the mob - via Bobby) made corporate America's ass cheeks pucker
4. And Foreign policy - signaling his willingness to lose in Vietnam (anti-colonial stance), response to Dulles' intelligence for the Bay of Pigs and not invading, and then the back channels to Krushchev -- not to mention supported Pan-African policies (Nkrumah, Nasser, Sukarno and Lumumba signaling which eventually led to his death) all pointed to a different type of American persuasion - allow up and coming nations to prosper at the hands of American rather than be forced.
5. The Joints Chiefs of Staff (and previous advisors hated Kennedy) - Lyman Lemnitzer, Curtis Le May, Dean Acheson, and even LBJ/Max Taylor thought he was soft on Communism. Throw in Hoover at the FBI and a few other creepy crawlies in intelligence (and now you have real power upset with and wanting his removal --- not just in the moment, but so this would not happen ever again (as a symbol to every other President --- we are the power, you are our figure).
Fake News Katie! Other people have said this, so I hope the producers will respond with an improvement: the communication about the interviews is confusing. Subscribers start listening by clicking on the email link, are pulled up short and told to go to substack to hear the rest of the interview, go there and find the rest of the interview is not there, and then need to remember to come back several days later when the full interview will actually be posted. If the emails initially clearly indicate subscribers need to wait for the full interview then it will be easier to understand.
Where is the rest of the Oliver Stone interview?
So where's the rest of the interview??
Loved the interview, but as a subscriber, I was confused when trying to find the extended interview on substack... You just need to let us know *when* to check for the extended part (instead of just telling us to go to substack for the rest and getting us all frustrated) OR post the extended at the same time as the free stuff. But, thanks!
The listening experience on this Substack is abysmal. Matt, Katie et al do not give a shit about us supporters. They're the Democratic Party of Substack.
I just stopped my auto renew.
Fascinating. JFK was a little before my time, but have admired Oliver Stone's efforts over the years to throw some light on this great American tragedy. It gives some ominous credence to Sen. Schumer's more recent blurted assertions that the CIA/IC 'has six ways from Sunday to get you" on Face the Nation.
[That the CIA lied 'bald-faced' during a Senate Intelligence Oversight committee hearing on 'torture' in 2012, and then hacked that committee's deliberations without any meaningful repercussions (other than a half-'apology' to its Chariman Feinstein?) I thought also suggests an alternative U.S. gov. command structure not in evidence.]
I guess my cross to bear will forever be the events on 9/11 and the U.S. response to them. Call me a wild-eyed conspiracy theorist, but Anybody who believes bldg #7 came down like that, according to NIST, from a single column failure (col. #79) due to office furniture fire in that well-built steel framed building is a .. . few cards short of a full deck imo.
*otoh, a young, bright and patriotic Edward Snowden worked briefly for the CIA and NSA so maybe they can't be all bad and hope springs eternal . .. in Moscow.
Great interview! Very glad to hear about Stone's new JFK project. The data he's talking about has been suppressed by "our" corporate media all these years. They all could have done blockbuster reports on it. From whence emanates that coordinated silence, which goes against the instincts of every true reporter? For those interested, the JFK assassination is placed in its bigger context in <i>"War Profiteer Story"</i>
https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com
Thank you for joining in a unified front in the Steven Donziger case. We need more unified fronts. And thank you for supporting free journalism. A financial oligarchy exists, and it is seriously threatening democracy and humanity.
Talk about 7 Degrees of Kevin Bacon. My uncle lived in Dallas in 1963 and worked at Texas Instruments with an eye-witness to the gunmen named Eddie Hoffman. He was deaf and couldn’t speak. Early JFK documentaries from the 70s show Eddie using sign language to describe what he saw.
Apparently, Hoffman saw a puff of smoke across a fence where he was standing overlooking the motorcade. When he turned, he saw a man in a suit carrying a rifle hand it off to another man dressed in a railway company uniform. Hoffman tried from the get-go to tell his account to the FBI. According to my uncle, he eventually succeeded, but maintained the FBI threatened him and his father, whom he lived with, to keep the story to himself.
Years after Hoffman died, some people published a book about him titled “Beyond the Fence Line: The Eyewitness Account of Ed Hoffman and the Murder of President John F. Kennedy.”
Hoffman seems like a pretty credible source. He appeared to have no financial incentive nor other motive to make up - and maintain - a huge consistent lie.
Fantastic interview!
re: Boebert...seems like Matt & his partner forgot about the misdeeds of Tlaib ("we're going to impeach the motherfucker") and Ilhan ("I did not marry my brother" lol) and Pressley - and all the REALLY vile things they have said over the years - how about some balance...
Peter Dale Scott, authored excellent texts on the assassination.
As for the autopsy, a contributing factor was RFK - JFK had Addison's and RFK worked to suppress that fact.
Oswald had interactions with the ATF and was some manner of informant.
Jean Soutre aka Michael Mertz aka Michel Roux was one of the primary assassins.
As for JFK pulling out of Vietnam, that is nonsense, I spoke with Dave Watters, a member of the JFK administration, who stated that Kennedy had absolutely no intention of withdrawing from Vietnam.
Dave Watters, lost his faith in the government, saying, essentially, he could not have faith in a government that allowed the head of state to be assassination.
As for Cuba. RFK was running a highly organized terror operation against Cuba.
Mr. Watters called Kennedy incredibly irresponsible, not fit to be president, mostly because of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Adding that JFK almost ended life as we know it, risking nuclear war. The continual assault on Cuba, headed by his brother being a large factor as a cause of the crisis.
Matt should have a headache more often
Regarding Matt's outrage in Republications Suck, it's not surprising to me that donors are pushing more and more odious types into congress. It's that good 'ol Overton window shimmying over some more. The worse the Republicans behave, the more noble their supposedly oppositional Democrats appear, i.e. new Dems are really like the old Reps. With the true left entirely vacated, all that remains among the elected are corporatists, by design.
News Flash! people in Africa don’t WANT the vaccines. Even if they were dirt cheap. Even if they were FREE. AND, they are way less sick than Americans even without it.