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“We were on Useful Idiots, bro,” said Gavin, co-host of the Vanguard podcast.
“Bro, that was fucking crazy!” said Zac, his other half.
“This was super trippy, guys,” agreed Gavin. “They were reacting to us reacting to them.”
Now, in the next episode of Useful Idiots, we react to them reacting to us reacting to them, resulting in the following visual:
The plan is to keep doing this until the center of the screen folds in on itself and we start moving backward in time. It’s not the best joke in the world, but as William Blake once said, “If the fool would persist in his folly he would become wise.”
Also this episode, we interview 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson, who tells a great behind-the-scenes story about interacting with Bernie Sanders during that run, and also explains her regrets about how she responded to attacks on her by fellow Democrats and their allies in media. Marianne had some friends who’d urged her to look at it as a fighter or an athlete might: get up and knock them all out.
“I needed more people to say ‘Get up and get out there and fight,’” she said. “So much of my life had been about being gentler.”
All that, plus her thoughts on the future of the Democratic Party, Yemen, her progressive candidates summit and more, during this episode of Useful Idiots.
New Useful Idiots: Interview with Marianne Williamson, Matt's New Media Ambition & Traveling Through Time to Hunt Kurt Loder